Is Hair And Makeup Kit Fee A One Time Payment
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SunArcher Photography
Posts: 7669
Washington, District of Columbia, United states
I'm now working with two MUAs and had a question based on some threads I saw in other parts of the forum: what differentiates a "kit fee" from the standard charge per unit you accuse?
What is the signficance of the kit fee that makes information technology so different from either your standard rate or a discounted version of your standard rate? Is there some trigger that ceases to make a rate a rate and instead makes it a kit fee?
The reason I ask this is because I'm more inclined to tell a model, "We'll shoot for trade, but the MUA is not included with this. If you'd similar to use mine, his/her charge per unit is $20 per expect" instead of "We're shooting trade, including the MUA, but the MUA has a kit fee of $xx."
Is there really a difference? I'm only a photographer, I know, only my significant other works at Sephora and wishes to give me a manus on my shoots, then I think she needs to know this as well.
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Lumondo Photography
Posts: 779
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
The kit fee is much smaller than a rate. For a TFP shoot, a MUA may charge $20-$thirty kit fee whereas their rate could be $400-$800.
The difference between a deeply discounted rate ($400-$800 -> $20-$30) and a kit fee is just semantics.
The kit fee covers the MUA'southward consumables.
One could contend that other team members besides have consumables which are not covered, by broad conventions of TFP shoots, merely that'south another word.
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HFox Makeup
Posts: 442
Washington, Commune of Columbia, Us
A kit fee in the existent earth is a term referred only for TV/film. It is not associated with the print earth. "kit fee" for TFP or TFCD is an internet term, and really doesn't mean much or matter. And so in reality, muas that charge a kit fee of $25 to 50 is actually charging a testing fee for that much.
In the real globe, everyone uses a mean solar day rate and one-half day rate for paid commercial work. When professionals are testing or collaborating to update or build their portfolio, everyone is paid in exchange for photos. It is collaborative. Nevertheless, there are situations where the models pays for a test brought on past the bureau (new confront that needs experience in front of the camera and it may non be beneficial for the squad members) and pays for a testing charge per unit. If a mua is requested by the model or photographer and the shoot is not going to be beneficial for them they can with either charge or reject the test. With that said, the photographer isn't obligated to give them photos since they are paid with money.
I hope this explains or clarifies information technology. This has been explained millions of times in the threads, only a lot of people on here choose not to listen.
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Keisha Willis Beauty
Posts: 630
Friendly, Maryland, US
Heather, is it customary for the MUA to charge the model a reduced rate since it is a test?
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SunArcher Photography
Posts: 7669
Washington, Commune of Columbia, US
Lumondo Photography wrote:
The kit fee is much smaller than a charge per unit. For a TFP shoot, a MUA may charge $20-$thirty kit fee whereas their rate could be $400-$800.
The difference betwixt a securely discounted charge per unit ($400-$800 -> $20-$30) and a kit fee is just semantics.
The kit fee covers the MUA's consumables.
Thanks...I didn't know if a majority of folks were really charging simply for consumables and not so much for fourth dimension (which is my understanding of a bona fide "kit fee") or if some other "MUA math" was existence performed to determine a rate.
Now HFox, I had a debate in another forum regarding terminology, so apologies for loosely using the term "kit fee." Is there an acceptable proper noun for it aside from "special testing charge per unit?"
I know it varies from person to person. Thanks again!
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Sophie R
Posts: 1235
Paris, Île-de-France, French republic
SunArcher Photography wrote:
Now HFox, I had a contend in another forum regarding terminology, so apologies for loosely using the term "kit fee." Is there an acceptable name for it aside from "special testing charge per unit?"
"Testing rate" sounds fair. It describes only what information technology is. And so, some makeup artist take some unlike rate for tests, some just apply their standard rates.
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Fotographia Fantastique
Posts: 17339
White River Junction, Vermont, Us
Lumondo Photography wrote:
The kit fee is much smaller than a rate. For a TFP shoot, a MUA may charge $20-$30 kit fee whereas their rate could be $400-$800.
The difference betwixt a deeply discounted rate ($400-$800 -> $20-$30) and a kit fee is just semantics.
The kit fee covers the MUA's consumables.
One could argue that other team members also have consumables which are not covered, by wide conventions of TFP shoots, simply that's another word.
Lumondo hit it on the head - most kit fees run nether $100 whereas virtually day rates are many times that.
MUA aren't the simply one's that go kit fees either.
For example, the terminal time I acted as fine art director on a commercial, the rental of my fog machine and the fog juice the production used was covered by a 'kit fee'.
I've also had gels and lightbulbs that are considered expendable because they color shift later on and then many hours of use.
This is 1 of the reasons the kit fee for TFP is so controversial.
Moving-picture show shooters in particular don't like it because they often spend a ton on film stock and processing and chemicals and photograph newspaper for making prints.
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Lumondo Photography
Posts: 779
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Fotographia Fantastique wrote:
The kit fee covers the MUA's consumables.
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I've likewise had gels and lightbulbs that are considered expendable because they color shift after and then many hours of use.
This is 1 of the reasons the kit fee for TFP is and then controversial.
On a digital shoot without exotic propping or rental equipment, the MUA and hair stylist are the main users of consumables. You could stretch the notion of consumables and say that the photographer's equipment are consumables, since the shoot eats upward the shutter and flash seedling life, but that'south significantly lower than the price of MUA/hair's bag (as far equally I understand).
For me, if the shoot involves a rental of some specific equipment, like fog or fan or whatever, and everyone on the team recognizes that this is required, then nosotros all split the cost of the equipment. This usually works out well when everyone has extensive creative input and is really keen on the concept.
For sure, though, I see why the kit fee is controversial.
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Erin Parsons
Posts: 233
New York, New York, US
Keshia Singleton wrote:
Heather, is it customary for the MUA to charge the model a reduced rate since it is a test?
Yep, its usually a 150 to 200 bucks. The perk is if its a great model you tin become new pictures to add your book 
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Relaxing Minds- MUA Taj
Posts: 280
Memphis, Tennessee, US
Some other question
When doing a shoot/video/whatever, do you charge each model or a apartment charge per unit for all? My half 24-hour interval rate is $250 but what if I have to make up 10 people and so an actress five show up? Do you accuse the half mean solar day rate plus a per model kit fee?
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Erin Parsons
Posts: 233
New York, New York, US
Relaxing Minds wrote:
Another question
When doing a shoot/video/whatever, do you charge each model or a flat charge per unit for all? My half twenty-four hours rate is $250 only what if I accept to make up 10 people and then an extra 5 evidence up? Do yous accuse the half 24-hour interval rate plus a per model kit fee?
I assume if you have to brand upward 10 people you will be at that place much longer than half a mean solar day.
Who is hiring you? Product company, art managing director, photographer???
You lot invoice whoever is hiring with a apartment rate and an hourly rate for anything that goes over your 8 or 10 hours, depending on what you lot base your day.
Don't charge a kit fee........The just time I e'er charged a kit fee was for an independent picture show.
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Cynthia ORourke
Posts: 1435
New York, New York, US
HFox Makeup just explained everything and so nice and clearly that all I want to add together is:
If you were a DP on a motion picture film shoot, you would be paid a rate for your time and talent. If the photographic camera, lenses, or other cinematography equipment belonged to the DP rather than a rental house or the production company, than the DP could also charge a kit fee or rental for use of their equipment on the production.
I've too seen people (a steadicam operator specifically) use kit fee/rental to get around taxes being taken out of his dayrate. Your kit fee/rental income would be taxed differently than your dayrate income.
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Kristen South Makeup
Posts: 1371
Plymouth, Massachusetts, US
Relaxing Minds wrote:
Another question
When doing a shoot/video/whatever, do you lot charge each model or a flat rate for all? My half day charge per unit is $250 merely what if I have to brand up ten people and so an actress five show up? Do you charge the half twenty-four hour period rate plus a per model kit fee?
My one-half day rate is my half twenty-four hours rate, whether I touch on one face or a dozen.
I've only been paid a kit fee on major films. I've been reimbursed for expenses on indie films. It'due south one flat fee per day, non per face up.
Avoid shoots where 5 people show up unannounced. LOL
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NinaDarguzis
Posts: 290
Los Angeles, California, U.s.a.
Basically a kit fee pays for the "rental" of our kit. This allows us to basically replenish expendables like sponges, puffs, mascara wands and the similar. It sometimes lets u.s. buy a new foundation. Since nosotros utilize upwards the makeup in our kit nosotros employ a "kit fee" to aid replenish the contents. Makeup is not inexpensive.
Our Standard fee is our wage. How much do we really make for our services. It's how we pay our bills. Sometimes nosotros'll add in a kit fee into our wage or rate.
I hope this helps.
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Ktom_Photography
Posts: four
Melbourne, Victoria, Commonwealth of australia
I was asked to provide a mua with a kit fee, what does that hateful for me? How much should i offering?
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TorchLakeBeauty
Posts: 1459
Mancelona, Michigan, Us
Kelly_Photography wrote:
I was asked to provide a mua with a kit fee, what does that mean for me? How much should i offer?
Kit fees should just exist used when it comes to telly/film work. Not for print/tests/tfp etc.
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Ktom_Photography
Posts: 4
Melbourne, Victoria, Commonwealth of australia
J Ochs Artistry wrote:
Kit fees should only be used when it comes to boob tube/film work. Not for print/tests/tfp etc.
im still a tad confused. What do i practise in answer?
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TorchLakeBeauty
Posts: 1459
Mancelona, Michigan, US
Kelly_Photography wrote:
im still a tad confused. What practise i exercise in respond?
Is this a trade shoot? TFP/CD?
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If you lot are doing a merchandise shoot - then all you lot should be doing is trading - no money.
If this is a paid shoot, and so ask what her one-half/full day rates are.
I copy/pasted this from some other thread. Very true!
Good Egg Productions wrote:
And past the way, allow me expound on a few misconceptions well-nigh what is off-white.
You get together your things and travel to the gear up. You put makeup on a model. Sometimes more than one look. You spend about about 45 minutes to an hour doing this. So, let'southward say you have 2 and 1/2 hours time spent for this TF shoot.
Don't talk to me near your brushes. Ask whatsoever professional working MUA here and they'll tell you that if you buy quality brushes and quality cleaning supplies, you can make clean and disinfect your brushes between jobs. As you should.
And and then there's the makeup itself. Yes, it's a consumable. Aye, yous have to furnish information technology every bit you utilise it up. Those are your expenses.
At present, let's talk about models. Models are constantly purchasing wardrobe. They're constantly using scrubs, cremes, lotions, oils and their ilk to go on their pare looking good. They're spending on waxing or tanning or gym memberships or manicures to continue their bodies looking good. They get their hair done at oftentimes outrageous prices. Those are THEIR expenses.
Photographers invest in expensive camera bodies and lenses. They purchase and maintain their strobes and modifiers. Seamless paper is a consumable and can't be used over and over forever. We spend hours at the shoot and then endless more than hours retouching to make the image perfect.
So you lot see, we ALL take expenses and time investments with a TF. RARELY is it completely fair to all parties involved. Sometimes the MUA even comes out ahead of the game.
And so delight. No whining.
Either get hired for a rate, or do it for TF. A kit fee is an insult, saying your mascara is worth more than my manner grayness seamless roll or the model'southward $eighty hair treatment.
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Camera Ready Studios
Posts: 7191
Dallas, Texas, Usa
a "kit fee" is something very new in the impress world (mostly an internet term unless its a film task) as others have already pointed out... It's like when a company adds a fuel surcharge to your bill... They just want to function yous and your money but want to audio competitive when they first requite you a price...It'south by and large newbie artists that practice this and they do it on tests commonly and I assume it's because they aren't making a dime and need gas money to get to the shoot location... Just a guess on my part. Considering we use about $three.00 worth of makeup and disposables on a shoot with i model this really isn't a proper term...I recall they should just telephone call information technology a fuel charge because thats really whats going to cost them more then anything on the shoot.
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BMR-MUA
Posts: 550
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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CMaquillage
Posts: 487
New York, New York, U.s.a.
OI !! again with the kit fees.
If this is a photo shoot and the artist mentions the word kit fit, they are clearly a newbie. A test is a test, NO one gets paid coin, merely images.
kit fees are for film and tv But!
I you experience the test wont benefit you or your volume ask for a real rate. If you tin't afford to practise the test don't do it, or accuse a testing rate, and I don't mean $25 -$50.
And I also don't agree with this charging by the expect concern. I said this on some other mail, but what constitutes a look? what if one await takes you lot 2 hours, and some other 30min?? You lot need to CHARGE FOR YOUR Time. full day or half twenty-four hour period rates period.
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, United states of america
Don't child yourself.
Kit fees are merely a way for the makeup artists to make some money on things w/o making information technology SEEM similar they're charging. If they really believed in the project, they'd eat the costs like everyone else on the team...& if they didn't believe or take use for the project, just charge yous their standard rate.
A "kit fee" is too a term & practice & more accepted in the movement picture manufacture because of the vast differences in the hours spent on set & oftentimes the sheer number of people need makeup being applied.
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